John Deere 5055e vs Kubota MX-Series tractor comparison and review

[music] Neil, from Messick’s here. We had the opportunity to have a bunch
of current competitive models on our lot. It presented an opportunity to go around
and do some videos on them. Now, we need to prefix this was saying that, “Talking down another competitors equipment
is not a way that we typically like to see business and sales transactions done.” Generally worthy opinion
that our dealership, our experience, the products that we sell can stand on their own
without having to talk down about other products. Unfortunately, any more we find
a lot of customers developing opinions about things through YouTube videos
that may be really based upon half-truths. While we had this product here on hand,
we wanted to take the opportunity to walk around and do a video of our own
and try to show how some of those comparisons are made in dishonest ways and also make an attempt
to make our own comparisons and maybe do it a little bit more honestly
than what you typically would find. Take a quick look here at this video
and let us know down in the comments how we did. If you watch John Deere’s YouTube videos
on competitive comparisons with this tractor, or you go to their website
and you choose their compare feature to look at another model, they’ll choose to compare this tractor
against the Kubota MX5200, which is right over here. The reason why they probably
choose this tractor, if you can see, it’s very much smaller. If you watch their YouTube videos,
never will you see the same tractors in the same shot. That’s very clearly done
because they’ve cherry-picked a model that’s not nearly as large to show increased capacities over here
and 30% more lift and obviously, this isn’t nearly
as big of a machine. If you’re in the market
for a utility farm tractor, an MX is not the machine for you.
This is geared towards hobby farms and smaller lighter applications
than what this machine is. You’re in the market
for a tractor more like this, you should be looking
at this machine over here. This is a Kubota M6060, which includes Kubota’s more deluxe
hydraulic transmission, what Deere would have is a power reverser, is a much larger tractor in size
with comparable lift capacities. From the get-go, if you’re looking
for a tractor to compare for your application, really dive into what your needs are. Are you looking for a mower tractor
where you need PTO horsepower? Are you looking for a loader tractor
where you need specific amounts of lift? Engine horsepower alone is not really
a fair way to compare these machines. You really need to get a lot deeper
into what your specific application is. John Deere very famously stands very firmly
behind their choice of plastic. I’m not here to tell you that plastic is bad, but when we go and we pound on the hoods
of these tractors and you docile the side panels,
you’ll find that there’s usually a lot more slop in them than, say, a metal design tractor
which is clearly a lot more solid. You can hear a thud versus a rattle
when you pound on these machines. As for the longevity of these, if you look in John Deere’s owner’s manual,
they actually will make references to how you’re supposed to clean the plastic, telling you that you should really only wipe
this tractor with a dump, smooth cloth. Not saying that you’re going to scratch
your tractor up, you can clean this thing
however you damn well please. These comparisons between plastic and metal
are less than genuine. Another thing that drives me absolutely batty
about John Deere is the picture that they try to put on of themselves
as an all-American company. In reality, all of these tractor companies
are global brands. John Deere’s 5E Series tractors
are actually made in India, and so this is an Indian built tractor
that’s imported into the United States. If you look on the tractor down here,
they do absolutely everything that they can do in order to hide that fact. On the serial number plate
down here in the bottom, it actually says that this tractor
is assembled in the USA, which it may be, but I’m surprised that they’d be doing
a whole lot more than bolting one set of tires. Reality is that this is
an Indian manufactured tractor. We typically find, when we look at
Indian machines from different companies, they are more crude
than their American counterparts. Again, painting is a broad brush
that may not always be the case, but be aware of what you’re buying. Another item
of John Deere’s so-called advantages over some other tractors
is their more advanced transmissions. In their videos they’ll point out that Kubota
uses a dry clutch in their transmission while they’re using a wet one, that is a half-truth. In their standard transmission, the 9×3
that’s typically expected in this tractor, they also use a dry clutch. The wet clutch is only available
in their upgraded more expensive transmissions. The Kubota to compare this to really would vary
depending on what your needs are as far as that transmission goes.
If a 9×3 is adequate for you, a Kubota M5660 has a standard transmission of an 8×8, which is a little bit more advanced, actually,
but comparable, a lot more fair. If you need that more advanced 12×12, an M6060 or an M7060
is going to give you those options. Again, comparing tractors really needs to be done
based upon what your needs are for a transmission and not just based upon engine horsepower
or what the manufacturer tells you to look at. Another curiosity with the transmission
on this tractor is the amount of PTO horsepower that’s available for your implements. While this tractor’s 55 horsepower
at the engine, it’s only 38 horsepower at the PTO. Generally, in most tractors you usually use,
it lose about 10 to 15% of your horsepower between the engine in the PTO. In the case of this machine for some reason,
it’s losing nearly 40%, over double what most tractors do, Not comparing to any other models here,
but that is odd. I don’t know exactly
what to contribute that to, other than the transmissions
that are in these machines are very, very inefficient. In loader and tractive applications,
that may not matter but if you’re going to be doing
mowing with this tractor, it doesn’t have nearly as much horsepower
available to your implements as what pretty much any competitive machine
would have. Another feature that John Deere pointed out
as an advantage in their YouTube videos is their 540 EPTO. I’m sitting up here in the seat
and looking for it and I can’t find it. It is not included on this
included standard 9×3 transmission that’s on this machine.
If you need a 540 EPTO, you need to upgrade to a more costly tractor
with a more costly transmission. Again, making this comparison between this tractor
and the MX is completely invalid. When we move into more advanced
utility class tractors, you’ll start to see that feature added
from virtually every manufacturer. Again, a John Deere advantage
that’s not exactly legitimate. Another John Deere talking point
usually revolves around their front axles. They generally will point out
that many manufacturers choose to put their steering components
in front of the axle, where in their case
they choose to put theirs behind. In this case, good solution, right?
It’s behind the front axle and it’s also up as well.
Some of their tractors, they put the front axle components
down below the axle. They’ll try to sell this
and giving you an impression that this is a tractor
that’s hardened for off-road use. It shows videos of it crashing through fields
and through the woods. Again, if we look down here underneath the tractor,
we see a lot of things that really bring that into question. In particular,
is the four-wheel drive propeller shaft. On this tractor right here,
if you look underneath the machine, the four-wheel drive propeller shaft
that goes between the front and the back of the tractor is not only completely exposed,
it’s also housed in a plastic cover. If this is a tractor you’re going to crash
through the woods with, I certainly would want a little bit more
down there than that. If you look under most competing tractors,
a lot of companies choose to put their four-wheel drive shaft
up inside the machine, inside of castings, and not completely exposed down on the bottom. Part of the reason
they probably choose to do this is because there are frequently
two-wheel drive versions of this tractor sold. That makes it very easy
to offer four-wheel drive and two-wheel drive variants. An engineering decision made here?
But again a less than honest comparison to say that you’re good to go
to go crash through the woods when you have a plastic enclosed
four-wheel drive propeller shaft below the tractor. John Deere will also point out
the extended maintenance intervals on their tractor which is another half-truth. Now, with the advent
of purely synthetic transmission oils, the maintenance intervals on these tractors
are starting to stretch out a lot longer. John Deere’s taking advantage of the fact
that Kubota hasn’t really given a lot of clear direction on exactly
what the maintenance intervals are. They offer a UDT transmission fluid, super UDT which has now gone obsolete and super UDD2. With super UDD2, there is a synthetic
transmission fluid option now which offers those extended intervals. They’re exploiting the fact
that the older transmission fluids are still out there
and a lot of the published information hasn’t been updated for that. Again, another half-truth. You’re not going to be pouring gobs of money
into the maintenance of another tractor where this one is going to cost you nothing. Most machines have very similar requirements
as far as maintenance goes over the long haul. If you notice my goal here is not to point out
that my brand tractor is better than this one. It’s not really fair. It depends upon exactly
what your application is. As you can see, when Deere chooses to do those kinds of things,
they really employ a lot of half-truths in order to make those points. In an effort not to engage
in exactly the same thing, I’m not going to do that. Instead, what we will do is try to give you
some impressions of this tractor as an operator.
As somebody who has the opportunity to get on and off of a lot of equipment, we’ll hop up here, we’ll run it,
we’ll walk around and point out some of the things
that are positives and negatives of this machine. Join me here and we’ll take a quick walk around
and look at those things. From the operator’s platform up here,
this feels like a fairly standard economy series tractor. There’s a hump in the middle across your feet,
it’s not a flat decked platform tractor which does definitely crowd
your foot area down here. The hump in here is really large
compared to most tractors. There’s probably a solid eight inches
down here at the bottom that your feet have to clear over
as you go back and forth. Again, not uncommon among economy tractors
but large in this one, for certain. My gear selector over here on the side
includes the parking brake, over from the side. If I want to go to the parking brake positions,
I need to slide the whole way over and go over and lock in to the parking brake. This may be a little bit
of a personal preference issue, but I do sell some other tractors
where this is the case, and I do have some customers
complain about these designs. Mostly because sometimes
they’ll go into the parking brake position, thinking they’ve locked it
and it’s actually not engaged. This one is fairly easy to put in, which is nice,
and it definitely feels positive once you get it into place. My preference is usually
for a foot locked parking brake, but again, you may not feel the same. One criticism that I have
with a lot of Deere tractors is the way that they do their loader valves. It’s typically very difficult
on their machines to take a loader up and down,
and keep the bucket level the entire time. This tractor
is absolutely no exception to that. When I move the loader stick over here,
it takes a lot of force for me to move the loader. Particularly,
when I go into the lower right position, I have to raise the bucket up
and keep it level as I go. I really have to pull hard and what that does is make it difficult
to keep your loads level as you go up and down. If I start the tractor up here, and raise the loader bucket up, I can’t even tell you how much force that is, that I have to use to go to the side and really I can’t even get it to do it. There, just a little bit [?].
Not that it can’t be done, but that is actually more difficult
than a lot of other equipment. The toolbox on this side over here, and the lever for the hydraulic quick coupler
are on this side, both really look like afterthoughts. See how this hangs
way off on this side of the machine. Now, granted it could come in
about another inch and a half from where it’s at now, but does this scream tree branch or what? This probably is optional will be my guest
because typically these are fairly expensive, but clearly not thought through the whole way. Another thing that I’m not a fan of either
is Deere would make a lot of choices, in order to lock you in
to proprietary things. You’ll see that across a lot of their products.
They don’t want you to be able to go to other manufacturers, who may have cheaper
or better options than what they do. In the case on the back of the bucket here,
you’ll notice that they don’t have a universal skid steer coupler. Most tractor companies will put a standard
to lever coupler on the back of here, enabling you to use
a whole huge variety of implements available from a huge variety
of different manufacturers, but in their case,
they choose to use this coupler, that’s proprietary to themselves, so you don’t have a choice
of where you going to buy your implements. Now, I’m sure [?] with this quick coupler,
somebody’s going to try to make a case that this is better in some way, and if you can come up how it’s better,
please let me know. We spent quite a bit of time here
trying to figure out how this thing work from the getgo.
This is new to us. In the [?], this is the first time
that I’ve done this, maybe there’s a trick here
that I’m not aware of. In order to get this coupler to release, we pull the bucket up to get the weight off of it and then pull this thing out, and the very first thing that happened
when we did this, was that the end
completely pop out of the coupler. We’re over here now trying to get [?] back up,
to go back here again. We also fought around with it quite a bit
in order to get to release in the first place. It seems that there’s any amount
of tension on that pin. It’s very difficult to pull that up
because you have no leverage. You’re just simply having to pull
the pin out of the hole. Compared to a skid steer quick coupler,
if you come over here with me, and again, not saying Kubota is better,
this is an industry standard use. When you want to release
the skid steer quick coupler, all you do is grab the handle and lift. Just like that, I’ve released the power forks. That’s a lot easier to do
because you have leverage to pull those pins, rather than having to slide
the pin out of the hole. In my opinion, a much better system
and also a system that’s universally accepted across most equipment. To be perfectly fair,
there are some things on this tractor that I like as well. One of those things
is the draft control standard equipment. That’s something that you don’t find
in a lot of machines as standard. Also, is a standard remote, standard trailer connector is on the back,
those are good things. Nice turning brakes, they’re laid out well. The dash gives a decent amount of information. The emissions controls to the [?] stuff
are simple [?] which is here on the panel which are easily used. There’s some positive things here,
and if you opt to buy this tractor, you’re not going to hate it, but it is not God’s gift to tractorer [sic]. One thing that we think is really important
when you’re shopping for a machine, is buying from a knowledgeable
experienced dealership. Buying the right product from the wrong dealer can really have a terrible outcome for you. The way to shop for a tractor and the right way
to make a competitive comparison is to go into a dealership,
stop watching videos on YouTube and comparing numbers in Excel. Take an afternoon on a nice day, go to a local dealer,
go to several local dealers, get the keys to the tractors, have an experienced salesman
that understands your application and the capabilities of his products to get you in the seat, and go run the machines
and decide what’s right for you, that way. Every tractor has its own pros and cons,
and trying to go through and compare one machine to another
can very rarely be done right. If we can help you through that process,
give us a call at Messick’s. We’re available at 800-222-3373 or online at [music]


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