The Natural Selection of Altruism December 9, 2019 Tags:altruism, biology, dna, evolution, gene, green beard, hamilton's rule, inclusive fitness, Math, natural selection, science, Selfish Gene, Simulation, survival of the fittest Related Posts Is the DNA testing used by Helix the same as the one seen on Dateline and CSI? Gene Cernan Speaks with Station Commander Kevin Ford Alleles and Genes About The Author John Henderson 100 Comments Paendabear Inclusive fitness sounds like identity politics. They really aren't worth much by themselves and can't hold out in the survival of the fittest. Only problem is they don't reproduce like animals do, so there is no altruism cost. At the end of the day I can see why identity politics is so prevalent after this simulation. When there is no altruism cost and only benefits these populations can run rampant when in reality they are a miniscule portion of society. Identity politics has no altruism cost because they demand everyone else's rights and tax dollars. I think it's unfair to pit strangers with the altruism cost in this modern political era, thinking about sub-cultural populations within a society in this manner is truly more insightful then natural populations. You can clearly see that normal people will get swamped out by "green bearded" people because they only want to help green bearded people and no one else. The survival of other sub-cultural populations mean nothing to "green bearded" individuals and the only goal is for the "green bearded" to gain power at the expense of everyone else. Like modern identity politics the inclusive fitness only aims to benefit certain individuals. Pretty scary when you think about it like this, there's nothing stopping identity politics in these types of simulations. Hopefully in real life there will be a solution, because that type of fake altruism is going to make society worst off. Committing evil under the false pretenses of altruism is how most world wars and catastrophies start. Identity politics is walking that fine line, and if there is a civil war it will undoubtedly be those committing evil under the false pretenses of altruism. Already people are saying we need to ban free speech so people can feel not offended. These misguided individuals will be the end of regular society, it will not be long till they take everything so their identity can thrive. This is not altruism, it is ponerology. True evil always thinks itself to be the righteous and just, there are clear parallels in today's left as there was in Germany's left before the catastrophic second world war. Jews and white males are seeing closer parallels in being political scape goats it's actually quite appalling that more people can't see the parallels. I just hope we as normal society members will be able to call out the blatant hypocrisy and evil that identity politics creates. At the end of the day altruism doesn't exist, but we can still do right by our neighbors for selfish self preservation. Which I find to be much more feasible and endd up creating stronger bonds due to mutual understanding of preserving the self by accepting and giving help to your neighbors. November 4, 2019 Reply DoctorPhrog “Green beards” can be any outwardly represented trait. So you could argue that instead of being a separate linked trait, the beards represent other with the altruism gene that the blobs can recognize as others being altruistic. Humans and animals alike are more likely to be “nice” to others that are nice as well. People are more willing to help others if they see those people also helping. November 4, 2019 Reply Gonzalo Barroso Haha I see it as what capitalism is, the Best You can do for others means you will win more November 5, 2019 Reply Ronald Lanzas Now think about why humans are successful and remember that Kevin exist in the same universe that you do. Be proud of humanity for breaking the rules. Or at least bending them a likkle November 5, 2019 Reply jadeddragoon "Survival of the fittest" doesn't mean survival of the fittest individual. It means survival of the fittest combination of genes… A combination that can be shared by many members of a species and… If "fit" enough… Will eventually be present in all surviving members of that species. If a gene… Say for altruism… Leads to more individuals with the altruism gene surviving… Then even though he may die because of the altruism… It still means the altruism gene is more "fit" than the alternatives. And it's worth noting that not all members of a species suffer hardship at the same time… So altruism is often not fatal… But does increase the likelihood of others around you surviving. November 5, 2019 Reply Peter Black We also need to consisder that it is Lord who gives us true altruistic.love, in it's purest form. November 6, 2019 Reply Happymasks kin altruism … wouldn't that be like making families compete. wich evolves into war ? of nations and races? first comes competition for food then competition for area and supply. then the outright war for domination and greed for more supply and there is the greater cost for raising your offspring since it will continue the line that would be an invisible trait since its selfless to the species, not the single-member and is subconscious < if you already tackled that ignore it since its my own perspective .. minds are very tricky and effects can be a good or a bad and when i remember the green beared part I just imagine the green beard beating the crap out of the greedy ones discouraging it like a moral balance forcing itself onto others like .. lets say in real life November 7, 2019 Reply The FOX Lourd Gamer Do you know the music in the videos the same in universe sandbox just universe sandbox not universe sandbox2 November 8, 2019 Reply Kir Rik 2:08 it's CHEATING ! – it can't reproduct without second peace of food! November 8, 2019 Reply HeyItzRane Well I have an idea. With this gene, the blob will try to get 3 pieces of food, if it does, then it will share one with any other blobs. Or a gene like that, but it will also only give to others who are altruistic. November 8, 2019 Reply Kir Rik The altruism genes are still selfish – catchprase of the century! November 8, 2019 Reply Connor Wamelink H will win November 8, 2019 Reply Tamisalami 2.0 What programm is this? November 8, 2019 Reply Sergio Vaquita Are the Green beards been racist? November 9, 2019 Reply EnjoyCocaColaLight Anyone else binge watching this right now? November 9, 2019 Reply masterculo 2:34 poor November 9, 2019 Reply Andro King It's more: "Survival of the fit enough" then "Survival of the fittest" November 9, 2019 Reply Leoninmiami this was great! I'd say that "kin altruism" isn't altruism, really. It's egoism choosing who it wants to help based on a personally beneficial criteria. Helping its own genes survive. November 9, 2019 Reply Johan Daun 7:39 Can someone tell me why? November 9, 2019 Reply jeremy lunsford the only way for an altruism gene to work for the best, both parties have to be altruistic. November 10, 2019 Reply Naþan Ø "Yeah, they regurgitate it. Nature is gross." November 10, 2019 Reply DeskApple Altruism will succeed!I believe in the friendliesWait… crap November 10, 2019 Reply DeskApple Altruism will always succeedloads ShotgunI’ll make sure of it November 10, 2019 Reply Harry Tsang 3:53 and we have created racism November 10, 2019 Reply Shiba inu Master Give a man a fish, he'll be full for the rest of the dayGive a man a watermelon and he'll be pissing whole night November 10, 2019 Reply Francisco Garcia Me: kind of enjoying video and kind of not understanding and fallin asleepVideo: hamiltonMe: wait what where when who November 10, 2019 Reply Ornitorringo 87 Then… Was Aynd Rand right? Wow… And here it has been demonstrated. XDXD November 11, 2019 Reply Carl Nantel why did you not make it so grabbing two pieces of food would give both camps a chance of 50% survival….. November 11, 2019 Reply UltraMayhem 456 selfishness will prevail November 11, 2019 Reply mahoma tu amigo when i was watching this video i was thinking in comunism November 12, 2019 Reply The PALZZ 1:50 so im going to die soon? ooooooookay November 12, 2019 Reply The PALZZ GO GET UM GREEN BEARD!!!!! November 12, 2019 Reply The PALZZ 6:20 – 7:00 just take a moment to look at the lonely little food thing near the top November 12, 2019 Reply TheSkin Changer702 "survival of the friendliest"A.K.A TF2 casual servers November 12, 2019 Reply Eevee 199 sentience November 12, 2019 Reply Arnas Vilkas I subscribed! November 13, 2019 Reply Sara Wallace Not November 14, 2019 Reply Sara Wallace Not November 14, 2019 Reply Sara Wallace G.n November 14, 2019 Reply The Experimentals 123 Man I love your Chanel November 14, 2019 Reply Galaxis "just green" is equivalent to lying or any kind of deception–butterfly with spots that look like eyes and all that November 15, 2019 Reply 某茶 100%+50%=150% November 15, 2019 Reply sn99cobra Program in Objectivism! November 15, 2019 Reply sdkinslayer You make a lot of mistakes in your Videos. November 15, 2019 Reply Polar Polar I wish a blob was a like a battery light November 16, 2019 Reply Richard Sephir 3:35 Its all fun and games till the green beards take over the world. November 16, 2019 Reply Notorious Swede "Identifies a trait and only helps those" Did you just introduce Racism/Discrimination as a whole in your sim? November 16, 2019 Reply Yash Pal Goyal 2:51 i wish i was taught this way in school…. i neeed not cram things. November 16, 2019 Reply PugTheBear Blob, strong, together November 16, 2019 Reply Arif Özay Özbay Maybe you should give the selfish ones a chance to be altruistic if they fed by the altruistic ones. So they can grow green beard. 🙂 November 16, 2019 Reply Luthien Tinuwiel "Hamilton's Rule" How else had to think of the musical "hamilton"?? November 16, 2019 Reply Gav H 6:02 I identify with that guy November 16, 2019 Reply Looksie Oopsie Doopsie Why dont you put like tribes (like they'll only be kind against their own tribe) and like when someone is kind to the Green beards they tend to become kind to those who helped them November 17, 2019 Reply Joe Wong From this video, then what is the problem of racism? I should only do good things to the green beard. November 17, 2019 Reply Erwin Johannes Rommel This green-beard thing is the same what happens in National-socialist-countries November 17, 2019 Reply Opinions are inevitable basically Canada November 17, 2019 Reply Scott The NINJA lesson of the day be altruistic only to other altruistic people November 18, 2019 Reply ticci tank Yo yo yo yo yo why is it called hamilton rule which one are we talking about November 19, 2019 Reply BungyStudios It would be interesting to make a model that takes into account social structure, reincarnation and metaphysics. For science November 19, 2019 Reply Game Generation There's definitely a joke to make about incels and nice guys here. November 19, 2019 Reply Bob Roberts Racism debunked lol November 19, 2019 Reply Dino Boi The blobs are cute November 22, 2019 Reply Visda58 Run the program with only those who have reproduced and have a surplus of food the altruistic ones. November 24, 2019 Reply Alexander Kravchenko Team me up with a bunch of greenbeards like that, crap's sake…Reference? Anyone? November 25, 2019 Reply PHeMoX I think it's a total misconception to think altruism is a mechanic within survival of the fittest. Those ants you speak off aren't analogous to altruism at all, especially if they're sterile anyway. The only thing they do is 'protect' their gene pool from competition and the groups doing that best, including not wasting food and energy on individuals who do not matter, are guaranteed a better long term survival. THAT is what the selection is about, it has nothing to do with altruistic motivations. Sterile ants won't add to the gene pool, so they might as well protect ants who do reproduce, which is the long term selection at play here.Also, any mutation that decreases overall survival, whether for an individual or a population will always be selected out in long term evolution. Natural selection favours survivors, which is the point. 'Kin selection' also literally is not beneficial to evolution, as it limits gene variation. A parent taking care of their children is doing nothing but taking care their genes will live on long enough for them to be passed on to future generations. It's more a byproduct of natural selection over the long run, than anything else. The mechanics of selection actually don't change. Plenty of species exist that are 'completely on their own' after having hatched. From lizards and turtles to fish, butterflies and moths to some birds (megapodes, chicken-like birds) and so on, there are plenty of examples of where parenting didn't 'scale' with evolution of the species. In the example of the birds, they will learn to fly within 24 hours, which is how 'evolution' compensates. The other way evolution compensates is generally making turtles fairly anti-social beings. But only so much, as they still need to find a mate and reproduce naturally. November 25, 2019 Reply Benton Lott I never make predictions this isnt school November 26, 2019 Reply science Survival of the Shittest November 26, 2019 Reply Zetsuke4 How do u get 600k videos with 10 subscribers November 28, 2019 Reply NewtHasSauce Most of these videos are just proof how garbage everything is November 28, 2019 Reply Bowstick Either everyone is nice or nobody is nice November 28, 2019 Reply Shas'O Swoll What if a creature that is given food can itself become altruistic? Simulating human behaviour (I.e paying it forward) November 29, 2019 Reply Aditya The green beard is like racist so maybe thats how racism was from in the real life November 29, 2019 Reply Hatesh Warkio The problem of your simulation is that you are simulating something that can happen in certain society (altruism) but with organisms that do not require socialization to reproduce.That's why altruistic blobs are failing while non-altruistic are prospering. November 29, 2019 Reply explosion It’s cool to see them evolve with the given traits, but you should try letting them evolve with traits that you don’t make up so it’s like actual evolution. November 29, 2019 Reply Valentin N. Hug 2:07, I would like to know how you can make 100% survival chance and 50% replication rate for the other one, out of one piece of food, while this for me seems to be 1.5 food in total energy (2.5 if both would survive + 50 % replication for one) . Maybe I missed a thing … I like the work you do btw. I just wonder. November 29, 2019 Reply Doctor Catnip The guy does not know what altruism is and nobody is even calling him out on it. November 29, 2019 Reply L00klikea x How did i reach such an educational yet enteretaining video in the middle of the night? November 30, 2019 Reply Jolak123 What a society November 30, 2019 Reply Investment Guru 5:08 Got lost at this partGreen beard altruismJust green beardWhat's the difference? December 1, 2019 Reply Jaiden Lumsden I’d guess the altruistic creatures ( first sim) will be less fit in this circumstance, there is no benefit specifically towards the altruistic creatures, if they only shared with others of the same type, I could see the benefits.Yay for YouTube algorithms! Plus 1 December 1, 2019 Reply Jaiden Lumsden Ditto what I predicted below December 1, 2019 Reply Jaiden Lumsden Looks like just green beard in the next one will win out, I’d guess December 1, 2019 Reply Kiro well that was dark December 1, 2019 Reply Colin Teoh friendship… is a myth December 1, 2019 Reply Sam Watts Something you forget to take into consideration: The cost of altruism not always being the same, if you ever do readdress this topic could you look towards varied cost of Altruism? December 2, 2019 Reply Floris Floris oversimplified December 2, 2019 Reply japascho A selection by action would be nice.Like giving some blobs a slight chance of being nice.A blob that has given away food is more likely to receive food and a bloob receiving food more likely to give something the next day December 2, 2019 Reply Andrew Gould The green beard/altruism gene simulation is more realistic than I believe you're implying. I mean, as social creatures, humans for example can detect altruism in other humans just through their social capabilities. December 3, 2019 Reply Lua Show Green beard Blobs: HelpsRegular Blobs: Built barber shopGreen beard Blobs: EntersRegular Blobs: Welcome to our barber shop!Green beard Blobs: Thanks! Can you cut this beard please?Regular Blobs: Okay.1 Hour laterStarving Blob: Gimme some food, please, Im dying…No more green beard Blobs: Uuh.. Why do I must to share food with you? December 5, 2019 Reply Magamarc That means racism is just natural selection and good. December 5, 2019 Reply Dávid Pável Where's the video about Hamilton's rule bruh? December 5, 2019 Reply IamBrix MAKE THIS A GAME/SOFTWARE December 5, 2019 Reply Ben Jordan Try to focus on simulating the realistic setups instead of simulating everything else and then simulating the realistic setup for only 5 seconds. December 6, 2019 Reply Hunter Darcy One big flaw is they die when they get the piece of food and can't get back to the boundary. This alone makes a huge difference in all of these tests? December 6, 2019 Reply Double X Striker Every time I see these videos I think they’re just too cute! December 7, 2019 Reply Isaac more blob December 7, 2019 Reply Anonymous Confucius said to take care of your family and to grow out your hair because your parents gave it to you, but I think humans and horses evolved long hair so that humans can make rope out of it to make a pulley to churn a firestarting stick. These days with lighters sold in cafeterias of smoke free campuses and lighters on the ground, the threat of lice outweighs the benefit of long hair… but long fingernails are still good December 8, 2019 Reply Trip Immigration I think you can add: more friendly and altruistic more chance to reproduce December 8, 2019 Reply Lee Henderson This would be interesting if it included memory. e.g. What if any blob has a 50% chance of giving a blob that hasn't interacted with it food, a 75% chance of giving to a blob that has previously given food to it, and a 25% (maybe 0) chance of giving food to a blob that it has already given food too but has never returned the favour. In both human society, and I assume with many other mammals, giving food to an equal (not an offspring/dependant) often is done with the expectation that they would return the favour. December 8, 2019 Reply Victória F. I just subscribed because I think they're cute…. 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